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The Glittering Treasure in Your Genome’s Junk

Rick Younger is a professor of biology at MIT who research RNA that’s transcribed from the a part of the genome that doesn’t code for proteins, generally known as non-coding DNA. This a part of the genome was as soon as known as ‘junk DNA,’ which provides you a way of what many considered its worth. Scientists had been startled to find that it makes up 98% of the human genome, which triggered a quest to search out its capabilities.

On this dialog, Rick Younger chats with Hanne Winarsky from Bio Eats World and a16z basic companion Jorge Conde, who leads investments on the intersection of biology, laptop science, and engineering. Earlier than becoming a member of a16z, Conde was Chief Technique Officer at Syros Prescription drugs and co-founded the genomics interpretation firm Knome. 

The dialog covers what we’ve realized about that 98% of the genome we thought was junk. Seems, it has various jobs starting from hiding away the proof of historic viral infections to creating each face look distinctive. Additionally they talk about its huge however nonetheless poorly understood position in illness, and the way finding out junk DNA led to the invention of a gene on/off swap that nobody anticipated. 

Word: this dialog initially was initially printed as an episode of Bio Eats World. You’ll be able to hearken to that episode right here

HANNE WINARSKY: We’re right here to speak as we speak about what is named junk DNA. Can we begin with only a easy definition?

RICK YOUNG: That’s a few half-century outdated time period. Scientists knew about parts of the genome that don’t encode proteins, they usually theorized that this was junk. We knew a few of it was simply the remnants of historic viral invasions of the genome. However that phrase, junk DNA, has haunted us.

HANNE: So what’s the time period that you simply’re attempting to make use of as an alternative? The darkish matter of DNA that we’re understanding extra about on daily basis?

RICK: Non-coding DNA.

HANNE: Why did they consider it as detritus? You’ve talked about a few of it was leftover outdated virus bits. However why wasn’t it only a thriller from the start?

RICK: As a result of all through organic historical past, there was this debate over what was the genetic materials, and initially, it was considered protein. However as soon as it turned clear that protein was the equipment and DNA was the blueprint for the equipment, individuals obtained busy on the equipment as a result of defects within the equipment trigger illness. However then it turned out that solely 2% of the genome is encoding the amino acids for proteins. The overwhelming majority, 98%, doesn’t. And in 2000, when scientists of the Human Genome Venture offered the human genome sequence, that information confirmed that 98% of our 3.2 billion bases don’t encode proteins.

Every gene has that outstanding functionality of taking bits and items of segments of the protein that it’ll encode and arranging it in order that the product that you simply get in a single cell is likely to be slightly quicker working, or in one other cell may very well go into a special compartment to do a special job.

JORGE CONDE: What had been the preliminary estimates to what number of genes could be encoded in these 3.2 billion base pairs?

RICK: We settled on about 100,000. We simply assumed that the extra complicated we’re, the larger the genome, and the bigger the variety of genes. There was a little bit of a shock after we realized that we and bugs have about the identical variety of genes.

JORGE: Fewer genes than we anticipated encoding for what we take into account to be an extremely complicated organism, proper? 

HANNE: That may be a little bit of a shock.

Identical supply code, totally different applications

JORGE: A factor all of us realized in highschool is that DNA codes for RNA, RNA codes for amino acids, and amino acids give us proteins, proper? That’s the central dogma of contemporary biology.

RICK: Yep. One of many large explanation why individuals had been fast to ascribe the title ‘junk DNA’ to that 98% of the genome that doesn’t code for proteins is as a result of it was believed, largely, that the enterprise finish of the genome was to make proteins.

JORGE: So when did geneticists begin to get an inkling that junk DNA could also be greater than junk?

RICK: [It started with] the conclusion that you possibly can account for the extra complexity in human beings versus bugs by an amazing quantity of other splicing. That’s the place you’ve, for a single gene, a big RNA that’s made, but it surely will get spliced in a different way in a single cell versus one other cell. In different phrases, totally different parts of the gene find yourself within the RNA molecule that’s going to specify the protein. So the protein is slightly totally different.

Nationwide Human Genome Analysis Institute, Public area, through Wikimedia Commons

HANNE: That seems like a kaleidoscope slightly bit with gentle hitting it in a different way, you get totally different colours, totally different angles.

RICK: Nicely, and that’s an attention-grabbing analogy. I believe a greater analogy is when you’ve these Legos, and you can also make a machine, however you can also make it in so many alternative methods, so many alternative buildings, colours. Every gene has that outstanding functionality of taking bits and items of segments of the protein that it’ll encode and arranging it in order that the product that you simply get in a single cell is likely to be slightly quicker working, or in one other cell may very well go into a special compartment to do a special job.

JORGE: Each single cell in a given human has roughly the identical genome. But that very same genome provides rise to an extremely various array of various cell varieties. And so to the extent that we’re going to make an analogy, every cell kind is working a special program off of the identical supply code.

RICK: That’s proper.

The capabilities of the 98%

JORGE: You don’t have to be an skilled to take a look at totally different cell varieties and see how different they are often, proper? A neuron appears to be like very, very, very totally different and capabilities very, very in a different way than, say, a muscle cell. What determines this system, the genetic program {that a} cell chooses to run? What makes a muscle cell a muscle cell, and what makes a neuron a neuron?

RICK: So we began out with DNA makes RNA and [RNA] makes protein. That’s the central dogma. However about half a century in the past, scientists started making the argument that actually RNA started to create numerous sorts of capabilities all by itself. And it seems that RNA truly has among the exercise on the earliest levels of improvement. 

When the sperm meets the egg, it’s the mom’s RNA that she places into that egg. There are RNA molecules which can be doing this. It seems antibiotics that we use routinely bind to the RNA. So the RNA has some fairly essential roles there. That modified the way in which individuals suppose. Then, as we began to consider junk DNA, that’s the a part of DNA that’s not encoding protein. Nicely, what if the world relies on RNA and never protein, at the least on the starting? And so now we perceive that a large fraction of what we name junk DNA, or what we used to name junk DNA, shouldn’t be junk. It’s extremely practical. And most of it makes RNA.

So your purpose in programming anybody cell is to make use of simply that particular set of sequences that may tune every of that widespread set of genes to the extent you need. . . .Our downside is we don’t truly know this system.

HANNE: Wow. Are you able to do a little bit of a lay of the land of the place we’re in understanding the noncoding a part of the DNA? You recognize, what’s our present understanding of all of the totally different potentialities there?

RICK: Solely 2% of our genome is encoding these amino acid sequences that go into proteins. So what’s on our accountant’s ledger for what the remaining does? 

About half of our genome is what we name heterochromatin. That’s the place you get the merchandise of historic viral invasions. Historical retroviruses invaded, after which had been become DNA, they usually had been inserted into the genome. So that really is a signifies that we’ve had all through our evolutionary historical past to cover away sequences that we don’t need to take care of. And it stays silent in our genome with an essential exception. 

The opposite half is the place all of the energetic protein coding genes are, and the place all of the energetic noncoding genes are. So, what does it do? It has an extended checklist of regulatory capabilities, however I’ll simplify it into three. 

Considered one of its capabilities is chromosome upkeep. So, these are the locations the place DNA replication happens. They’re the websites in our genome which can be liable for folding it up as a result of it’s a 2-meter lengthy polymer. It’s obtained to get folded up into a pair micron diameter nucleus. 

The second regulatory area is all these items which can be liable for gene regulation. Most likely rather more of the genome specifies regulatory options for gene expression than specifies genes themselves. And that’s as a result of every cell makes use of a special regulatory area for every gene.

HANNE: It’s so attention-grabbing, it sounds to me slightly bit nearly like there’s the closet with the cabinets on it of issues we have to put within the closet for a short time, after which there’s the infrastructure closet.

Why is it essential to focus a lot on this? As a result of that’s the place over 75% of all disease-associated genetic variation happens.

RICK: Sure. Principally, what you’ve is a standard set of genes in each cell, each coding and noncoding. And you’ve got components, you’ve precise sequences which can be working solely in particular cell varieties. So your purpose in programming anybody cell is to make use of simply that particular set of sequences that may tune every of that widespread set of genes to the extent you need. So that you’re enjoying a tremendous musical instrument of 20,000 protein coding genes, and about the identical variety of noncoding genes. You’re doing that by particular sequences. Our downside is we don’t truly know this system.

Teasing out the regulatory program

HANNE: So how do you start to suss it out? What are the hints that you simply’re following whenever you’re beginning to attempt to perceive this program?

RICK: The hints are that the regulatory areas for every gene in a cell show themselves. They let you know. And you should utilize numerous technologies that in a short time let you know throughout the whole genome, in a specific cell kind, let’s say in a motor neuron, what are all of the regulatory areas which can be on in that cell. You’ll be able to even see the place the rheostat is about for every of these genes. That’s the place fast sequencing has given us these capabilities to concurrently deduce all the energetic components for genes, each coding and noncoding within the genome of a specific cell kind. 

Our downside in the intervening time is you must do that just about one cell kind at a time, and we have now many, many lots of of cell varieties. Generally it’s laborious to really see a specific cell with out contaminating with different cells, as a result of all our tissues actually are combos of a number of cell varieties.

JORGE: Is it value arguing by analogy if we stated that given that each cell has the whole genome, each cell has the whole songbook, particular cell varieties select to play particular symphonies, and the equipment that helps regulate the genome is basically the conductor of the orchestra? That equipment is the conductor that determines what songs to play, what notes to hit, at what quantity to hit them, at what tempo, and so on. Is {that a} cheap analogy to understanding the regulatory perform of the genome?

RICK: It’s within the sense that it’s simple to see then what the output could be. However what’s tougher is, who writes all of the notes? Who’s the composer that put all these notes in there, and obtained all of it proper? The composer seems to be, for many of our cells and most of our genes, these protein molecules referred to as transcription components, whose job it’s to bind to the regulatory components of genes, and provides them a rheostat setting. 

Now, there’s an attention-grabbing wrinkle on this as a result of at these websites the place these transcription components bind, we name them an enhancer. At these enhancer websites, there’s additionally all the time an RNA being made out of that web site the place they’re certain. We’ve solely lately come to know that that RNA performs essential roles in regulation. Simply to amplify that: the way in which your iPhone acknowledges your face is as a result of the enhancers that management cranial facial construction genes range in every human being. 

What you’ve now right here is that this triumvirate. You’ve got the DNA sequence. It’s acknowledged particularly by the composing molecule, the transcription issue, but it surely wants this third piece, this RNA molecule. So the DNA, RNA, and protein truly work collectively at these regulatory areas. And why is it essential to focus a lot on this? As a result of that’s the place over 75% of all disease-associated genetic variation happens.

HANNE: To not get too musically nerdy, but it surely nearly seems like a chord, proper? The three-note construction all enjoying collectively to create one thing bigger.

RICK: That’s proper.

The programmers

JORGE: Some of the leading edge areas of biology is our growing means to attempt to perceive among the governing legal guidelines of how cell applications are decided, how cell destiny is decided. For me one of many fascinating leaps ahead in our understanding, got here from the work that Yamanaka did, for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize, demonstrating that you possibly can reprogram cell varieties by simply exposing cells to a really small handful of particular transcription components.

HANNE: Are you able to describe why it was precisely that it was such a breakthrough for the sphere?

RICK: I had a tiny bit position in that film. It seems that though that’s a really giant quantity, a small variety of transcription components can determine all of the regulatory components which can be important for that cell’s id. And Yamanaka proved this to us by displaying that solely 4 of those components could possibly be used to program any human cell, or any male cell into the equal of an embryonic stem cell.

A method to consider that is, if the tune is just too dangerous, the organism doesn’t stay. But when it’s only a bit off, you develop up, you develop into an grownup, and then you definitely purchase all these numerous ailments as we grow old.

JORGE: And that’s superb, proper? As a result of that may recommend that the system is someway designed the place unimaginable complexity is drawn from what seems like simplicity. 4 transcription components figuring out all of the complicated cascade of occasions that govern totally different cell varieties. 

A few of the work you’ve executed has demonstrated that these grasp transcription components primarily arrange the equal of circuits that management the genes which can be needed for a cell to determine and keep its state. Are you able to describe what you imply by gene management circuits?

RICK: There are two cool components to the gene management circuits. One is, when a grasp regulator finds these enhancers and causes the expression of its goal genes, that’s part of the circuitry, that’s the output. The opposite ingredient that’s so cool is that the grasp transcription components additionally regulate their very own expression. So there’s a suggestions loop. Like, you’ll have {an electrical} diagram the place you’ve the masters controlling their very own expression from their very own genes, after which binding to and controlling expression of a goal set of genes.

JORGE: That’s fairly wild. It’s nearly like a round reference, the place transcription components are protein, that protein is made out of DNA,  encoded in a gene. Transcription components are a part of the equipment that helps the expression in transcription of genes. And so due to this fact, you’re saying transcription components–the protein–assist regulate the expression of the genes that make the transcription components.

HANNE: Yeah. There’s a psychological picture of this complete symphony of all these little cells, you realize, singing out all these totally different textures. 

The regulatory genome and illness

HANNE: What does it change after we start to know how this all capabilities? What can we do with this information?

RICK: These websites the place these grasp transcription components are driving every cell’s id is the place most of human variation is that causes illness. Over 75% of disease-associated variation happens in these enhancer components which can be driving the important thing genes.

JORGE: Okay. In order that’s wild, proper? Once we take into consideration mutations inflicting or contributing to illness, we usually take into consideration a mutation that happens inside a gene that impacts the protein, someway breaks the protein, and that offers rise to illness.

HANNE: Proper.

JORGE: However you’re saying is that in 75% of the circumstances, that mutation is definitely taking place outdoors of the genes, it’s taking place on this noncoding area of the genome. If the gene is the tune, it’s not that the tune is being misplayed, it’s that it is likely to be performed too loud, or too mushy, or too slowly, or too shortly, however that’s what drives numerous illness.

RICK: In truth, a technique to consider that is, if the tune is just too dangerous, the organism doesn’t stay. But when it’s only a bit off, you develop up, you develop into an grownup, and then you definitely purchase all these numerous ailments as we grow old.

For the primary time, we have now all these fashions for a way you arrange the equipment and make it work.

JORGE: Not making the mistaken model of the gene, however getting the mistaken dosage of the gene. An excessive amount of or too little.

RICK: That’s right. How do you discover therapies that take care of this? How do you selectively tune up or tune down the gene? In precept, we are able to do this in numerous methods, and we are able to do this with gene remedy. We are able to do this with CRISPR gene enhancing. However a very powerful factor I believe we’ve found in the previous couple of years is that every of those gene regulatory components has an RNA. The RNA is practical. It’s a rheostat that helps tune the output of that gene. There are actually some ways which you can drug RNAs. We’ve obtained ASOs (antisense oligonucleotides), similar to Spinraza for spinal muscular atrophy. We’ve obtained RNA interference. We’ve obtained some new small molecule medication on the horizon. In case you may take into consideration methods of now programming a drug, an artificial RNA, to control the regulator RNA, the regulatory RNA, you’ve the principal manner of tuning anybody gene in any cell the place that cell can acquire entry to that drug.

HANNE: So it’s not only a entire totally different understanding of how illness emerges. But it surely’s an entire totally different understanding of how we may doubtlessly deal with illness.

RICK: Precisely. In precept, we now have a programmable manner of growing a drug that tunes anybody gene of curiosity. At this second in time, persons are merely programming artificial RNA molecules to provide a vaccine for this pandemic. One that’s pretty much as good a consequence as you possibly can ever anticipate for a vaccine.

JORGE: Once we take into consideration the purposes of know-how in biology, we’re normally attempting to do certainly one of two issues. We’re both attempting to interrogate biology very deeply, and perceive it, growing ranges of its complexity, or we’re attempting to intervene. We more and more are capable of interrogate biology at a really, very deep degree so we perceive the governing legal guidelines or the foundations by how cells are regulated. And we have now that, we have now more and more refined instruments, like these programmable modalities of drugs, the place we are able to goal RNA, very, very particularly. This may kind of be this virtuous cycle between our means to interrogate biology after which intervene in more and more refined methods. And I believe that’s one of the thrilling features of the place we discover ourselves as we speak on this subject.

RICK: I agree with you. We now are growing such a deep understanding of the a number of layers of complexity, that we are able to provide you with therapeutic hypotheses that we’ve not seen earlier than. We are able to do them with a velocity that we by no means conceived of only some years in the past. That temporal distance between a primary discovery and the remedy that went into individuals 10 years in the past was 14 years on common. Now, it’s conceivable to consider growing a therapeutic speculation primarily based on primary science, and a remedy that reaches a affected person in 9 months. We’re seeing that with this new vaccine.

HANNE: So, altering not simply how we perceive illness rising, how we deal with it, but additionally how we do the science itself, after which how briskly the science can occur and switch into scientific actuality for sufferers.

RNA as compartmentalizer

RICK: Precisely. However now there’s icing on the cake as a result of, classically, we’ve considered pharmacology in two methods. One was the impact of the drug on the person. The opposite was the impact of the person on the drug. And on this latter phase, you’re frightened about distribution of the drug, what tissues it goes to, what tissues it’s not out there to. As a result of we simply assume as soon as a drug will get right into a cell, it diffuses by the cell and finds its goal. We’ve membrane-bound compartments, which we’ve identified about for a century.

JORGE: Which was all the time the query of the cell permeability, proper? Can it cross the membrane?

RICK: Sure. Can it cross a membrane, and does it get into the nucleus or not? However we’ve solely come to know within the final decade that there are additionally many non-membrane our bodies in cells referred to as biomolecular condensates as a result of it’s thought that one cause that these our bodies type is that they condense very like water condenses right into a dewdrop. However what has been so profound about this understanding is that these condensates compartmentalize proteins, DNA, RNA for particular capabilities. And so now we’ve come to know that  you’ll be able to segregate the 5 to 10 billion protein and RNA molecules in a cell into numerous compartments the place they perform with their buddies.


JORGE: Are we leaving the realm of biology and getting into the realm of physics?

RICK: We’ve executed precisely that as a result of part separation is considered the driving drive. That may be a bodily phenomenon described by math.


RICK: Now, we’ve realized the best chemotherapeutic medication are concentrating contained in the compartments the place their targets stay. They’re concentrating 600-fold over the remainder of the cell, in order that they have on-target exercise on oncogenes that’s 600 instances what we anticipated. This not solely tells us that there are model new insights which can be essential in drug discovery and improvement for the longer term, but it surely makes us need to higher perceive what these condensates do.

Here’s what I imply by the icing on the cake. What we’ve come to comprehend is that these condensate compartments which can be functionalizing the cell in such essential methods are regulated by RNA. Their formation could be stimulated by RNA. In case you produce an excessive amount of RNA, you carry the rheostat as much as 11, it’s going to dissolve a condensate. So, abruptly, we understand that the RNA output at any web site inside a cell can tune the perform of something by enhancing or dissolving these condensates the place that perform is happening. And that’s, I believe, profound as a result of it’s one other manner {that a} programmable RNA, an artificial RNA molecule, is likely to be employed to tune the perform of a cell that’s develop into dysfunctional. For the primary time, we have now all these fashions for a way you arrange the equipment and make it work.

HANNE: One other knob to dial.

RICK: However then how do you flip it off? It seems that whenever you make that lengthy RNA, that’s only a large string of destructive fees, and it dissolves the condensate and shuts the gene down. That’s how genes get regulated. You tune up the condensate with an RNA, then you definitely shut it down with the RNA product that’s made when the gene will get totally transcribed.

HANNE: Tremendous cool. So an on and off swap, actually.

RICK: It’s an off/on swap nobody anticipated. And it means, as soon as once more, when you’ve got a programmable drug, you’ve a brand new manner of concentrating on mobile capabilities which can be dysfunctional, a brand new answer for a therapeutic downside.

JORGE: One man’s junk DNA is one other man’s refined genome regulatory equipment.

HANNE: Or each man’s. 


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